Darryl Stevens Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Hi, I am having identical issues, as listed on forums, for my 2015 journey 3.6 with 78,000 miles . P0302 code only Rough idle at stop/very low speed but no rpm fluctuations at any higher driving speeds. . Code P0302 will not show up once cleared when I am driving at speeds over 1200 RPM (45-90 MPH) in 6th gear but code shows up again at slow/idling speeds in parking lots or idling at signal light. All plugs and #2 coil pack replaced,code cleared, no change, code P0302 after 2 miles of slow driving. Have owned since new, filter and oil changed with 5W20 Castrol every 5000miles. Car does alot of short distance driving , less than 5 miles about 12 times per week with a few 16 mile highway trips in between. No coolant temp issues as per the coolant temp guage. I have NOT changed the PCV valve so maybe oil contamination in intake but that should affect all cylinders not just the #2. No mechanical noises obvious from engine. Scan tool shows all injectors are within range and similar to each other. The transmission shifts harder than when new, I did have the trans oil flushed/replaced with new oil but it was all models trans oil from NAPA.done approx 10,000 miles ago. Filter was not changed, I was told there is no filter for this trans by shop, not a dealership shop. Some comments online about TCC solenoid causing issues at idle due to not unloadin Tq converter causing idle issues. Is the EGR not functioning correctly possibly causing this P0302 code due to vacuum leak? I would think all cylinders would be affected if EGR. Also some talk of CPS causing issues. Have gone to local Chrysler dealership and explained the issues and what has been doen so far to mechanial foreman. His immediate reaction is that the rockers need to be replaced liekly due to damaged needle bearings in the roller rocker causing exessive play. Fix estimate $1200-1500 depending on damage found on other rockers and possibly cam. Any help is appreciated. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2late4u Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Darryl Stevens said: Hi, I am having identical issues, as listed on forums, for my 2015 journey 3.6 with 78,000 miles . P0302 code only Rough idle at stop/very low speed but no rpm fluctuations at any higher driving speeds. . Code P0302 will not show up once cleared when I am driving at speeds over 1200 RPM (45-90 MPH) in 6th gear but code shows up again at slow/idling speeds in parking lots or idling at signal light. All plugs and #2 coil pack replaced,code cleared, no change, code P0302 after 2 miles of slow driving. Have owned since new, filter and oil changed with 5W20 Castrol every 5000miles. Car does alot of short distance driving , less than 5 miles about 12 times per week with a few 16 mile highway trips in between. No coolant temp issues as per the coolant temp guage. I have NOT changed the PCV valve so maybe oil contamination in intake but that should affect all cylinders not just the #2. No mechanical noises obvious from engine. Scan tool shows all injectors are within range and similar to each other. The transmission shifts harder than when new, I did have the trans oil flushed/replaced with new oil but it was all models trans oil from NAPA.done approx 10,000 miles ago. Filter was not changed, I was told there is no filter for this trans by shop, not a dealership shop. Some comments online about TCC solenoid causing issues at idle due to not unloadin Tq converter causing idle issues. Is the EGR not functioning correctly possibly causing this P0302 code due to vacuum leak? I would think all cylinders would be affected if EGR. Also some talk of CPS causing issues. Have gone to local Chrysler dealership and explained the issues and what has been doen so far to mechanial foreman. His immediate reaction is that the rockers need to be replaced liekly due to damaged needle bearings in the roller rocker causing exessive play. Fix estimate $1200-1500 depending on damage found on other rockers and possibly cam. Any help is appreciated. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14WhiteRTRallye Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 Is it tapping like a loud typewriter? (Rockers) or Sewing machine noise (normal) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John/Horace Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 If engine isn’t tapping. Replace intake manifold rubber gasket set, could be extra air leaking in. Cylinder compression on #2 might be useful and leak down. Can be done while gaskets are changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl Stevens Posted January 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 The engine sounds normal. ( like sewing machine) I can hear the injectors cycling. All shops are wanting to go directly to repalcing rocker arms with no troubleshooting, like leak down test, coil pack ohms test. Maybe I will start with changing the intake manifold seals myself and swapping coil pack from #2 to #1 and then check again if misfire has moved. I think I can change #1 coil pack location without removing intake again if misfire code moves to #1 cylinder. ( P0301) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsteves5 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 If the issue doesn't change after swapping the coil pack and replacing the manifold seals, then I agree with John/Horace that it's time for a compression and leak down test. I've personally had this issue where #3 cylinder would not hold pressure and gave a P030X code with very similar issues to what you are describing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl Stevens Posted January 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 Hi tsteves5, Whaht was the final fix to your engine issue with pressure leak in #3 cylinder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsteves5 Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 On 1/31/2023 at 4:21 PM, Darryl Stevens said: Hi tsteves5, Whaht was the final fix to your engine issue with pressure leak in #3 cylinder? You probably don't want to know. Ended up replacing that entire engine. It was cheaper to get a used engine than replace the bad piston ring(s) that were causing it to lose compression. I never did figure out WHY it happened, as I'm very religious about my vehicle maintenance and oil changes. The new/used engine was actually much more powerful and had better fuel economy. I wonder if the original engine was perhaps marginally faulty to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl Stevens Posted February 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 Thank you for the response. That is lousy news! I just didi a scan of the fuel trims long and short terms for bank 1 and 2. there are significant differences for the long term between bank 1 ( far lower) and bank 2. NOt sure how to interpret this. Can anyone help? 2015 Dodge Journey 3.6 bank 1 and 2 fuel trims short and long terms.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsteves5 Posted February 2, 2023 Report Share Posted February 2, 2023 I'm not a fuel trim expert, but generally a positive number indicates that more air is getting into the combustion chamber than expected. So if this is a large number it could indicate an air leak in the intake system. A negative number indicates that more fuel is getting into the combustion chamber than expected. A leaking injector could cause this. Understanding Short Term and Long Term Fuel Trims (mechanic.com.au) John/Horace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl Stevens Posted February 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2023 UPdate- I have swapped #2 and #1 coil packs and also spark plugs to see if code changes to #1 cylinder. While having the inatke manifold out and laying on workbench there was a significant amount of engine oil coming out of the #1 and #2 cylinder runners. Did niot expect to see this. Cleaned out manifold as much as possible. PCV valve replaced as possible reason for excessive oil in manifold.Perfromed leak down test of #2 cylinder at 80 PSI. #2 cylinder held 80 psi , no difference in pressure values. So no head damage on valves or piston rings. Reasembled, erased code P0302, engine started and idled for 2 minutes, rough idle but no engine check light, drove for 20 miles at highway speeds no code. Next day on cold start idled for 1 minute and engine light came on, checked code, again P0302. Will be changing #2 cylinder rocker arms, any rockers with loose lifter rollers. Will update when completed. 2late4u 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John/Horace Posted February 4, 2023 Report Share Posted February 4, 2023 Did you replace intake gaskets when swapping coils. It’s just odd that you don’t hear noisy rocker arms and the code takes a while to surface. But dealer could be correct. If your doing rockers be careful,of the timing. There is a plastic shim kit for timing chain that some people use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl Stevens Posted February 5, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2023 FINAL FIX- found #2 cylinder intake valve rocker arm roller damaged. Up and down movement on roller axle pin.Only one of the 2 intake rocker arms had play but I changed both intake rockers for #2 cylinder just in case. Bought 2 new roller rockers from local dodge dealership ($20/unit CAD). . Removed,checked and reinstalled all other rollers of rocker arms of both intake and exhaust cams on this head, no play found. Intake seals replaced during reassembly. NOTE- previously found oil wetted intake runners were much cleaner/drier since I had replaced the original ( 126,000kms) PCV valve. I strongly recommend changing PCV valve as per maintenance schedule of 96,000kms. On start up engine vibration/ rough idle was non existant. Cleared engine code, went for a drive , all good. Hope all this has helped as all previous posts ffrom other members have helped me diagnos and fix this issue. I have filed my VIN with class action law suit in Canada against FCA ( Fiat Chrysler Canada) for this manufacturing failure. Feel free to ask any questions about this issue and I will try to help. 14WhiteRTRallye and 2late4u 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John/Horace Posted February 6, 2023 Report Share Posted February 6, 2023 Great news it wasn’t piston or cylinder head issue. I noticed my pcv leaking oil around 120 Kms , probably was done at 96 kms. Cams looked ok for wear ? So total cost with valve cover gasket, roller cams, gaskets a fraction of the $1,200-1,500 estimate. Big win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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