Salah-Belkhodja Abdeslem Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 hi gent today when i stopped at the gas station for refueling , my dodge journey didnt start , when i turned the key for starting , nothing happend ,however my battery is in good condition, i also replaced my starter in july 2023. what do you think could be the cause, thank you in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5rebel9 Posted March 12 Report Share Posted March 12 I would start by checking the push on small wire connector on the starter solenoid of the starter. If the plastic cover end is still there, take it off and check for expanded or deteriorated metal female end inside of that cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salah-Belkhodja Abdeslem Posted March 13 Author Report Share Posted March 13 Yes, I completely agree. That's what I've heard. What discourages me from doing it is the fairly low temperature in the country at the moment. thanks . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2late4u Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 , when i turned the key for starting , nothing happens ,however my battery is in good condition HAVE you actually had the battery load checked to make sure it is in top condition? also have you had the journey scanned with a quality scanners to see if there are any codes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5rebel9 Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 Considering the age of the car, and was just driven to get fuel....as long as it had interior power the battery should be OIK. I would also suspect the shift{gear sensor} may not be fully in park position due to possible shift cable end bushing wear. Try with key in run position of moving the shift lever through the gears and end in park or neutral and then try "cranking" it over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2late4u Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 I had a caravan I was driving down the road everything was fine, shut it off and then tried to start it and all the electronics went crazy and it wouldn't start battery was 4 yrs old and alt tested fine just finally died when it did I always start with the easiest and cheapest test before moving on to other more complicated things that might have gone bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salah-Belkhodja Abdeslem Posted March 14 Author Report Share Posted March 14 16 hours ago, 2late4u said: , when i turned the key for starting , nothing happens ,however my battery is in good condition HAVE you actually had the battery load checked to make sure it is in top condition? also have you had the journey scanned with a quality scanners to see if there are any codes? In fact, I use a maintainer/charger always , I have a voltmeter plugged into my cigarette lighter, and I don't have any fault warning lights on my dashboard, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salah-Belkhodja Abdeslem Posted March 14 Author Report Share Posted March 14 Hi Rebel : Honestly, I doubted that, and I shook the gear lever, shook the car while leaving it in position D, but the vehicle had to cool down a little for it to start again, also the vehicle drives at least 100 km per week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5rebel9 Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, Salah-Belkhodja Abdeslem said: Hi Rebel : Honestly, I doubted that, and I shook the gear lever, shook the car while leaving it in position D, but the vehicle had to cool down a little for it to start again, also the vehicle drives at least 100 km per week. OK, I was just trying to "cover" common possibilities as you did not post that you got it to start and by what condition. All in all, it may be a wise move to have a battery load test done at a parts store or shop{usually free} just to be sure as once again no posted info as to battery age. Also if still the original starter, by age it is getting old and could be drawing more amps to kick over than your battery is capable of when hot. Keep us posted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salah-Belkhodja Abdeslem Posted March 14 Author Report Share Posted March 14 (edited) the original starter was replaced on july 2023 (recently) , the battery is an Energizer (AGM) , i also have installed a battery maintainer under the hood + a battery thermal wrap . i wanna just mention that when it's happen and when we turn the key , we have power on the dash bord , but we dont here nothing when we try to activate the starter, till the engine is completly cold. thanks for your support ! below are the photos of the old and the new starters. Edited March 14 by Salah-Belkhodja Abdeslem grammatical forms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John/Horace Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 (edited) Starter probably binding internally when heated up. They can fail like this sometimes. New starter over remanufactured unit is usually better. OEM over cheaper aftermarket even better. Mopar on Journey are often Nipodensa, one of the better manufacturers. Very pricy new. Reman Mopar is available. Could jumper starter relay moving contacts, 85 and 87 when not turning over. If it then turns over, then starter is ok, other issue like park neutral, security system, starter relay, wiring harness etc. Edited March 16 by John/Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salah-Belkhodja Abdeslem Posted March 16 Author Report Share Posted March 16 thanks for all these possible causes of this issue....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salah-Belkhodja Abdeslem Posted Thursday at 08:03 PM Author Report Share Posted Thursday at 08:03 PM this is an up date of my issue Yesterday when i was comming back from my office i decide to stop to do some shopping, when i tried to restart my car , the starter didnt answer, i conclued to a bad solenoid , actually , it looks like the solenoid is not thermo-insulated, and i have to wait till the car will completly cold. because to close to the exhaust, and not correctly adapted to the weather condition, i have to add a thermo-insulation (against heat) to the solenoid, to resolve definetly the problem. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John/Horace Posted Friday at 01:32 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 01:32 PM (edited) All transverse mount V6 engines have this starter motor design. Wife's Santa Fe v6 went over 350k kilometers with original starter. My brothers 3.5 in a Chrysler 300 went to wreckers with original working starter at 310k kms. They are designed with proper internal tolerances to function with the engine heat. These cars run in tropical countries with way more heat.. You can't likely add insulation without creating other problems. A used auto recycler OEM starter can be a better option than a cheap (often china) remanufactured nicely painted unit. If you lightly tap starter at no start and it works again. Probably solenoid contacts sticking. If not maybe armature flat spot or brushes having poor contact from heat expansion. There are some small electrical shops that can rebuild alternator/starters. Or take parts from two bad units to make one good unit. Edited Friday at 01:37 PM by John/Horace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salah-Belkhodja Abdeslem Posted Friday at 02:35 PM Author Report Share Posted Friday at 02:35 PM Yes John , you are 100% right , i will follow your experience/advice to resolve the problem. many thanks.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean H Posted Friday at 08:13 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 08:13 PM (edited) I would get it scanned for codes. With a scanner that scans all the modules. I wouldn't rely on the dash warning lights alone. Better to eliminate all possibilities. The 3.5 has a EGR valve. Remove it and clean out all the exhaust passages on it. Edited Friday at 08:13 PM by Dean H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean H Posted Friday at 08:48 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 08:48 PM 3.5 L. egr valve location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salah-Belkhodja Abdeslem Posted Sunday at 11:20 PM Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 11:20 PM (edited) Epilogue : the (small) wire between the starter and the relay box, actually , the connector not playing his role correctly , i had to add another screwed, solid wire to replace the existing one to resolve definetly this stupid (bad conception) issue. situation is back to normal. many thanks to Dean (by the Way) . Edited Sunday at 11:22 PM by Salah-Belkhodja Abdeslem John/Horace, Dean H and 2late4u 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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