biohazard Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 has anyone owned an older journey and a newer one and compared REAL WORLD fuel milage difference. I know there is the stats on each motor but that isnt a true value of daily driving....we are currently looking to upgrade from our 2010 to a 2013 and the dealship keeps talking that we are going to save a ton on fuel cost. Also we are going from a regular 3.5 to a AWD 3.6... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bramfrank Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 (edited) The formal MPG ratings, if sone to the same standards oughtotto give you a ratio of what you have now with what you WILL have if you upgrade. Want to save on MPG? Buy the 2.4 - it isn't 'tons' different from the 6, but it is less. I question the concept of using hundreds of dollars in fuel savings as justification for spending 10s of thousands of dollars to replace the vehicle. It's going to take a ton of savings in fuel consumption to cover the cost of upgrading your vehicle. The same argument applies to spending many thousands extra to buy a Hybrid. Edited December 22, 2012 by bramfrank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biohazard Posted December 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 its just one of the things the dealership is saying, i laugh as i share the same opinion as you about actual savings, but we need the bigger motor for towing our pop up camper... plus i was just wondering about how the AWD will affect gas milage as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bramfrank Posted December 22, 2012 Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 (edited) The 2.4 is enough to keep the Journey moving at highway speeds, but it is no police interceptor. The 3.6 does have more power than the 3.5 and I know that the AWD does have negative impact on mileage, not to mention that being in Canada it means the R/T with it's 19" wheels. But one item of nte is that AWD on most vehicles, including the Journey requires you to swap out a full set of tires if you have an issue with one tire beyond the initial treadwear period. Unless you drive through huge snow drifts or try to do offroading I don;t personally think one requires AWD (and driving theough a national park isn't offroading, if you get my drift and the Journey isn;t a CJ either). It shouldn't be hard to get a read back of the MPG specs for your '10 and compare them to the claimed MPG spec for the '12s in both FWD and AWD formats. Edited December 22, 2012 by bramfrank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biohazard Posted December 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2012 the AWD is something we werent really considering but it comes standard on the R/T... we looked into building a CREW with all the options of the R/T and it came out to the same price so we figured why not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryl Posted December 23, 2012 Report Share Posted December 23, 2012 If you lived in the USA you could get an RT with FWD not offered in Canada for some reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug D Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 has anyone owned an older journey and a newer one and compared REAL WORLD fuel milage difference. I know there is the stats on each motor but that isnt a true value of daily driving....we are currently looking to upgrade from our 2010 to a 2013 and the dealship keeps talking that we are going to save a ton on fuel cost. Also we are going from a regular 3.5 to a AWD 3.6... It's best to use the EPA ratings to compare - that's what they are there for. Anectodal data (that's what real world data is) is not a good guideline - too much variance in driving habits. The EPA ratings are done in a measured consistent manner and do not necessarily indicate you will observe those mileages. That said comparing a 2010 Journey FWD (3.5L) vs 2013 Journey FWD (3.6L), the 2013 is only 1 mpg better: 2010 Journey FWD 3.5L - 16 city / 24 hwy / 19 combined 2013 Journey FWD 3.6L - 17 city / 25 hwy / 20 combined AWD: 2010 Journey AWD 3.5L - 15 city / 23 hwy / 18 combined 2013 Journey AWD 3.6L - 16 city / 24 hwy / 19 combined As you can see going from a 2010 3.5L FWD to a 2013 AWD 3.6L is no difference. The salesman is uninformed and not comparing the proper models. IMHO, it will take a long time (like 15 years or so) to recoup the cost of a new FWD unit on a 1 mpg gain - if ever. And that assumes you get the same fuel mileage as the ratings. There's no guarantee you will. Hence the phrase "Your mileage may vary". If you really need to have a vehicle that gets significantly better fuel mileage, you need to be considering models with much better fuel mileage ratings. Vehicles such as the new Dart (35-37 mph hwy) or Avenger (4 cylinder models) or a hybrid such as a Prius (ugh!) or a Fusion (Hybrid). To add fuel to the fire, you'll probably be upside down on your trade as well and will have to make up the difference out of pocket or roll the negative equity into the loan on the new vehicle. Not a smart idea. Unless you really, really need to upgrade, I'd walk, no, ummm, run from the dealer. He's just trying to make a sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biohazard Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) well we were going to but a new journey anyways so I was just wondering... our new journey is already on order and we are going to love it either way.. as far as the negative equity we will be rolling it into the new loan but also changing the terms(48 months) so we can pay it down faster... the money was never really an issue we just like the neweer model and wanted to upgrade to the leather and GPS also, something we should have done when we made our 2010 purchase but didnt.... Edited January 20, 2013 by biohazard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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